+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 34

Thread: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

  1. #11
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Toulouse (Fra)
    Posts
    3,281

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    Hi Bill,

    The time will give the honest answer.

    I'm still of the opinion, among what I already written on the subject, that this issue will be a sort of "niche" where rich amateurs do not count the money spent for a "toy". Generally are not very young in spite of what IRSA would pretend !

    Unfortunately the basic design culture for a sailing boat is totally ignored by IRSA.

    My poor friend Ph. Bolger once wrote: "Every floating object equipped with a sail will move somehow, this is why the nautical designer profession is so relaxed !"

    Will be frustrating to see a Micro Magic overtaking a Nano that may have costed 4 times more !

    Cheers
    Claudio

  2. #12
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    New Hampshire, USA
    Posts
    921

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    Claudio, I guarantee that NANO will not be one of mine

    I think you are also forgetting that people can easily team up to join in on the fun. A guy who likes to design gets together with a guy across the world who has a printer and good things start happening.

    You may recall that Selwyn and I envision this as a great club project, and a lot of young people are being exposed to 3D printing in school. An interested person doesn't have to run right out and invest in an expensive printer...just find access to one.

    I also think you do us an injustice...IRSA is not pretending anything here. We are simply giving interested people a radio class where they can compete with others who have like interests...using a fairly new technology that we think has good potential for development.
    Last edited by mudhenk27; 05-26-2017 at 05:28 PM. Reason: additional thought

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Minnesota USA
    Posts
    3,810

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    Why not hit a few schools first, Bill? Meet, introduce, provide a free file set, and let the school integrate within it's class programs?

    My son graduated last year from high school. His school "project" was the printing of a chess piece (pawn or queen - his choice) he also had to build a small footprint 3D printer. His is just completing his first year in college in Engineering and found he won't have access to a 3D printer in class until his 3rd. year in school. Needless to point out the probable loss of knowledge in two college school years - what with girls, beer, cars, beer and girls. (LOL )

    Anyway - introduction at high school level would easily provide a sample of student interest. There is always time in the future to start a sailing class for the product......or quietly close a program that had little interest.

    Just a thought.

    Dick

  4. #14
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Toulouse (Fra)
    Posts
    3,281

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    Was not my intention to bring injustice to any one using the word 'pretending', instead what readers shall be aware of is that so far 3 names have been indicated since the begin of this tread as promoters of this toy project actually named NANO.

    The names indicated are :

    - Graham Bantock......... IRSA Chairman for Technical Committee - owner of http://www.sailsetc2.com/store/
    - Bill Hagerup.............. IRSA Chairman for 10R Class - tread initiator
    -
    Selwyn Holland........... IRSA Chairman for Australia - 3D print specialist

    Thus for the first time, in this Forum, it is acknowledged that 3 IRSA Chairman's are involved, at various levels, in the promotion of this project claiming that 3D printing is a new issue for yacht model making ! Fine why not !

    Navigating on the Web I found also another interesting news about 3D printing discovering that was initiated in 2016 in Australia by a person called Brian Dill .

    Why this person was ignored ?

    Is that Justice ?


    for more very interesting information please use this link below :

    https://sites.google.com/site/wollon...cht-components

    You can also consult a PDF file digitizing on Google : RADIO WAVES 22-2_v2
    or loading directly:

    http://www.radiosailing.org.au/files...es 22-2_v2.pdf

    in particular from page 20 to page 28.

    That's all and good luck to NANO

    ClaudioD


    PS : BTW, Brian Dill do not even knows that I'm existing
    Last edited by claudio; 05-28-2017 at 07:37 AM. Reason: added PS

  5. #15
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    New Hampshire, USA
    Posts
    921

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    Claudio apparently has some personal agenda regarding IRSA. His implications that we have been dishonest in some way are absolutely false and unfounded.

    The NANO is announced as a provisional rule. That means it may, or may not, become an international rule depending on the level of participation that develops. It also means that the rule can be modified based on the experiences of the early participants.

    I noted early in this thread that the idea for the class came from Graham when he saw the work that Selwyn and I had been doing, and that I am on the IRSA technical committee, so the fact that Graham, Selwyn, and I are involved is hardly a revelation. None of us has any hidden agenda here, and there is no IRSA conspiracy associated with the announcement of the NANO class. Our objective in developing the class rule was exactly as I have stated in the initial posts. Selwyn's original intention with his website was to "teach people to fish." While that remains the goal, he was so inundated with requests for hulls that he decided, after much thought...and after we developed the NANO concept, to offer kits. That decision was reported to IRSA, so he is making no attempt to cover up any conflict of interest. I have no commercial interests in model yachting.

    Brian Dill is a friend of Selwyn's, and Brian's initial work is what inspired Selwyn to get a printer and start his work. Brian was not, however, involved in the development of the NANO concept or provisional rule. He has focused on RG65s, and I think he is now attempting to print a Marblehead. There is no conspiracy to avoid giving him credit for his work. He has his own website and is not affiliated with IRSA.

    I have personally been straightforward in this forum for years, and will continue to be. I am happy to answer reasonable questions and engage in civil debate.

    Sigh...forum involvement is a double-edged sword. But I wish people who attempt to vilify me would at least spell my name correctly.

  6. #16
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Toulouse (Fra)
    Posts
    3,281

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    I do not care about IRSA if this is what you want to knows and I'm sure that I'm not the only one in this forum !!!

    You put in my mouth words that I have never used.

    In another tread you indicated that Selwyn was involved with you in developing a 3D RG65 and you presented some pictures.

    Today I discover that Brian Dill has printed RG65 for Selwyn.

    Since is not affiliated with IRSA there no need to name it, bravo! Do you have a personal agenda with Brian Dill ?
    Very elegant attitude !!

    Humble suggestion : IRSA should create his own Forum to make publicity of their projects and illustrating actions !

  7. #17
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    New Hampshire, USA
    Posts
    921

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    Claudio, please...your opinion is clear, but your facts are a bit selective.

    The boat Brian printed was Selwyn's first RG65 prototype. The subsequent boats 2,3,5, and 6 were designed by me. Boats 1 and 4 were designed by Craig Smith. Boats 2-6 were all printed by Selwyn. All of that is clearly presented on Selwyn's website that I referenced in my first post about the 3D RG65s.

    Here is a direct quote from Selwyn's site: "Prototype 1: “The Black Boat” (Designer Craig Smith, 3d printed by Brian Dill, construction Selwyn Holland)"

    Clearly, credit was given to Brian for his part in this endeavor.
    Last edited by mudhenk27; 05-28-2017 at 12:46 PM.

  8. #18
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Toulouse (Fra)
    Posts
    3,281

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    My point is that in this RCSailing forum discussion I found out the explicit omission of a person in the name of Brian Dill. No need to navigate around the Web as I did it to find out who is Brian Dill and what has done.

    Actually I stop here since what I was supposed to says it is said.

    I do also apologize with the forum readers for my interventions aiming to know all about 3D printing including what was omitted to says involuntary !!!

  9. #19
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Minnesota USA
    Posts
    3,810

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    At the risk of setting off more fireworks, I must admit I was (and am) a bit puzzled by the position IRSA has taken relative to "It" (IRSA) introducing a potential new class.

    I was always under the impression that a certain number of boats were required within a National Authority - AND - a certain number of National Authorities "with" those number of boats was required before IRSA would even consider their involvement in the process to bring a new design to consideration as a nationally recognized class. If this is no longer the standard, please point me to where the membership requirements were changed, and what they now require.

    Considering my interest in multihull designs/classes, and their lack of recognition since my interest in RC multihull sailing began in the late 1990's, and identifying multiple classes of multihull designs, now available for a builder from a current effort for a "Footy" sized multihull, to the 65M Class,- to the MultiONE Class, - to the Mini40 and Formula48 Class, and ending currently with the 2 Meter class I was never provided ANY support from AMYA or IRSA in efforts to build a US Class and get a multihull design accepted. As often told - "IT was up to me to develop the class" and then support would be there. Now imagine my surprise when the NANO project looks to be IRSA initiated and supported - and along with the proposed take-over of the RG65 Class rules by IRSA! Seems like you guys have nothing to do, nor are the rules for new classes in question of needed changes. I think a few on the IRSA Committee need to reconsider if they are going to be builders/suppliers for a new yet-to-be perfected design, or if they are going to remain as bureaucrats running the IRSA.

    In the meantime, I wanted to see how costs would compare to my RG65 home builds if a total kit were provided much like the clear RG65 example shown.

    Thanks, and if you can find your way clear to help build the multihull classes, it would be appreciated.

    Dick

  10. #20
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    New Hampshire, USA
    Posts
    921

    Default Re: Announcing the exciting new NANO class

    With respect, Dick, this thread has been completely hijacked from a simple announcement of an interesting new opportunity for people to race 3D printed boats to a discussion of concerns about IRSA.

    The rules regarding class establishment are here: https://www.radiosailing.org/about/t...administration

    The NANO evolved through a process of discovery as Selwyn evolved the use of 3D printing to make it a viable method for producing hulls. My part is helping on the design end. As we progressed, Selwyn and I shared our work with some friends at IRSA. Graham was impressed with the potential, and suggested the NANO concept, so we kicked it around and came up with a set of rules. The concept and rule was presented to the Executive Committee for vote, and was passed as a provisional class, using the clause in the IRSA procedural rules that permits a class to be authorized without adhering to the participation guidelines.

    Perhaps you could move all the non-NANO discussion to another thread?
    Last edited by mudhenk27; 05-28-2017 at 06:47 PM. Reason: added link

+ Reply to Thread

Similar Threads

  1. J-Class versus 12Metre Class
    By claudio in forum America's Cup Boats
    Replies: 289
    Last Post: 09-20-2013, 04:24 AM
  2. J-Class Revisited: Modern J-Class Design Contest
    By Matt White in forum Technology Discussions
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 06-21-2011, 08:04 AM
  3. Quick and Exciting ........... Multihull Sailing
    By Peter Stevens in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 38
    Last Post: 01-21-2004, 10:48 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts